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Pʀᴏᴜᴅ Hɪɢʜ Kɴɪɢʜᴛ Kɪɴɢ ([personal profile] untilavalon) wrote in [personal profile] rubycitymods 2013-04-28 04:33 am (UTC)

I FEEL BAD BECAUSE I KEEP COMMENTING but the intent of it is to explain the fact that in canon she doesn't believe herself human at all, honestly. If I need to provide the parts of the wiki/canon that state that I'll be glad to do the ground work for it but I'm also, as I said, not offended to have to just write it out. It's just simply canon that she considers herself... outside of that boundary of humanity, I guess is the best way to say it? It's a little difficult to phrase in anything shorter. The gender/humanity variance is a trope shared between this saber (Fate/Zero; Fate/Stay Night), Nero!Saber (Fate/Extra), and Arturia's paternal son (to whom she is the literal father), Mordred (who is a part of the latest released series that is still being translated, Apocrypha, and actually has the most controversial of the gender-related views in the series).

I really don't want it to cause any trouble so I really am okay with writing it out but I do want you to be aware that there is canon fact backing these claims and a friend considering Nero!Saber is a little worried about things regarding this situation because of it. I am very aware that it is a delicate situation for many reasons (beyond gender; the concept of being above humanity is a controversial one in itself), but other than writing it out and disregarding it, I don't know how to fix it, as denying it would be denying canon information.

I definitely don't want to make this any more difficult and wouldn't be pushing the issue if, from canon information/quotes and the influence of much of the fandom via tumblr, Arturia didn't believe herself to be disconnected from humanity and gender. It definitely plays a bigger role in Fate/Zero than it does in Fate/Stay Night, but most of the information regarding this issue comes from /Stay Night and the /Stay Night retelling of Arturia's history as King Arthur. And, as I said, it's a trope shared among the three female-bodied Sabers (there being only two male-bodied ones but Apocrypha!Saber/Mordred believes themselve to be male) and thus cannot easily be avoided between any of them, else I probably never would have mentioned it.

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